tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post3862612609030900306..comments2024-03-28T05:12:54.089-05:00Comments on Uncle Matt's Blog: OSR the second waveMatt Finchhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07678557558458924177noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-30249218278484863282011-09-06T10:44:06.997-05:002011-09-06T10:44:06.997-05:00I'm totally focused on playing and gaming. I t...I'm totally focused on playing and gaming. I think it's great that product issues forth but I'm not interested in learning other systems or reading other rule-sets. It just has no interest for me b/c I don't have the time (and I already have D&D that I'm happy with). Regardless, I totally think people need to play, and then express/communicate it.Greg Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08934958487613782595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-36121757785737050862011-09-04T08:40:58.787-05:002011-09-04T08:40:58.787-05:00Sean - reckon its time that the UK OSR sorts out s...Sean - reckon its time that the UK OSR sorts out some sort of Con, and one thing the UK scene does well is small to mid sized cons. If not a full con, certainly a con within a con say at UK EXPO.<br /><br />More musings about this to follow on Sorcerer Under Mountain.Newt Newporthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14526248931436220381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-51424144572448108812011-09-02T03:18:18.564-05:002011-09-02T03:18:18.564-05:00I think the recent spate of OSR blogger retirement...I think the recent spate of OSR blogger retirements (Torch, Pole, and Rope, Chogwiz, and one or two others) might also point to a bit of fatigue with the 'blogosphere' and the teapot tempests that rage through it, as well as normal attrition. There is also the slowdown in Raggi's page as he concentrates on marketing and Za S as he handles Constacon. This and the lessening in the glut of retroclone rulesets and increase in useful tools being produced makes me hope you are right and the move towards playing and expanding playerbase will constitute the second wave of the OSR. My harddrive is full of rulesets so now I need to get my game on. :)Tedankhamenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00181643018957592969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-43295816266864231382011-09-01T23:48:03.486-05:002011-09-01T23:48:03.486-05:00Things look very different from my little island, ...Things look very different from my little island, from our timezone.<br /><br />The 1st wave - resources - reached out internationally.<br /><br />The 2nd wave - if it is about cons (and I don't believe it is), is reaching into America only. We don't share a timezone, so Google+ with US gamers is a total drag for those of us who work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-90276201594295353092011-09-01T21:44:34.101-05:002011-09-01T21:44:34.101-05:00FWIW, Matt, I think that the large success of Gary...FWIW, Matt, I think that the large success of GaryCon can be directly attributed to the Lake Geneva Gaming Cons put on by TLG, Gary, Rob, and the core of the current GaryCon attendees. GC stands as squarely on the shoulder of LGGC as AD&D does OD&D. <br /><br />WRT other old school gaming cons: Joe Bloch has mentioned good things about DexCon in NJ, and DunDraCon still had a strong old school component to it when I was living in the Bay Area from 2000-2005. GenghisCon in Denver's also got a significant old school focus, fueled at least in part by the fact that Harley Stroh is local. And, the SoCal Minicon is on the cusp of growing into something larger. <br /><br />Allan.grodoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11800184312511280050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-25352837418683545842011-09-01T20:14:52.928-05:002011-09-01T20:14:52.928-05:00As a co-founder of NTRPG con, I can positively say...As a co-founder of NTRPG con, I can positively say it was the birth of the OSR that led to the impetus to start an old school gaming con. The other main goal was to get a convention dedicated to OLD SCHOOL, face to face gaming instead of having it as one or two events at a larger con, a place where old schoolers could meet and game together without having to wade through cards, miniatures, and other distractions. <br /><br />I agree with Mythmere that this "second wave" will be fueled by actual gaming at cons, face to face, and not arguments or discussions about systems and product.Badmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06199830751033032585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-76649669776618189982011-09-01T19:21:26.210-05:002011-09-01T19:21:26.210-05:00I'm not at all saying that product should disa...I'm not at all saying that product should disappear, or that it's unimportant. Having a steady stream of stuff to read and use is part of the fun of a game! What I'm saying is that there's a new set of developments -- the online and face-to-face conventions -- that are offering to take things to the next level.Matt Finchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07678557558458924177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-34550861053992804522011-09-01T17:42:01.579-05:002011-09-01T17:42:01.579-05:00'I certainly don't want to see product dis...'I certainly don't want to see product disappear, because I like buying and reading gaming stuff.'<br /><br />Me too, but there's still a crazy reliance on product amongst those of us who probably know all the rules we 'need' and have enough experience to make rulings on the rest.<br /><br />Product has helped the OSR to grow and reach out further into the online marketplace, but it's passion and not product, that sustains the hobby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-42388426041796127792011-09-01T15:23:19.107-05:002011-09-01T15:23:19.107-05:00I think we're a force for gaming. I certainly ...I think we're a force for gaming. I certainly don't want to see product disappear, because I like buying and reading gaming stuff. :) But, a focus on gaming is a good thing.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192212467523179768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-77393595505778535332011-09-01T15:01:11.183-05:002011-09-01T15:01:11.183-05:00If it makes the OSR a force for gaming rather than...If it makes the OSR a force for gaming rather than one for collecting, then I'm all for it.<br /><br />Less product, more play.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-51264374692010893702011-09-01T13:47:32.527-05:002011-09-01T13:47:32.527-05:00Inviting total news to play is the key. Dump all t...Inviting total news to play is the key. Dump all the gamer shame/elitism bs and tell people what a freakin' awesome game this is and ask em if they would like to come over and play sometime!<br /><br />Hey, it worked in the 1970's. We should be able to manage at least a modicum of success, now!Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08192212467523179768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-69951967890878888532011-09-01T13:02:59.416-05:002011-09-01T13:02:59.416-05:00Great post! Yes, us "old schoolers" need...Great post! Yes, us "old schoolers" need to be out there playing. We need to be in the game stores, libraries, etc with our old school style gaming materials showing loud and proud. I created a GM screen using three ring binders with the cover of the Mentzer Red Box in all the front slip covers. I get a lot of curious looks when I'm gaming in my FLGS, since every other game in the store is D&D 4E Essentials. And some people have come up to ask what we were playing, and expressed interest in joining.<br /><br />Now, at the moment I'm running C&C, which causes some confusion since I'm showing off a Red Box cover, but regardless, the point is that we need to be recruiting. Plain and simple. We can't just be grognards and sitting here complaining about kids these days. We need to be nice people, open to new gamers and their many questions. We can't be stuck in our little niches grumbling anymore.<br /><br />There are those who prognosticate the death of the hobby, but what are they doing to stave off that demise, besides being doomsayers? You want to find more players for the OSR? Create them. Nurture them. Show them the true TAO of D&D (Tao meaning "the way," right?) Don't just sit back as some silent, inscrutable "master" of an OOP game. Be a truly enlightened gamer and get out and recruit.Anthony Simeonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04312134763577949405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-85536767998079452632011-09-01T12:29:04.420-05:002011-09-01T12:29:04.420-05:00I would love to get some people into VisionCon in ...I would love to get some people into VisionCon in Springfield Mo. It is mainly current editions and WoD these days. <br /><br /> You do have some good points but I want to add in a couple about C&C since you left it some time before I did. After Gary died and TLG lost the CZ license C&C began to implode. There were things going on with the company and in the community that were rather hinky, imo. I won't touch on it all but TLG dropped the ball big time on what could have been a good product line. <br /><br /> I think that the time is right for another company to fill the void TLG left and one of these 'Second Wave' games may be what can.Joshua Sherrerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17308286154275114804noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-75959846465279903042011-09-01T11:52:42.907-05:002011-09-01T11:52:42.907-05:00While it is fun to play in a face to face situatio...While it is fun to play in a face to face situation, there are other avenues to explore. PbP for instance there is a game forming on DNDonlinegames. The first S&W game on that forum.<br /><br />I wish I could say that it was my game that got started but it is not. Another member of the forums is starting a S&W Whitebox game. I invite you all to check it out and hopefully join to support our presence on that forum. The link to the thread is http://www.dndonlinegames.com/showthread.php?t=114827<br /><br />If an interest for Old School gaming gets going on this board I to have a game in the works to start. I can not have a game without players whether it be face to face or by PbP.<br /><br />Other avenues to explore are skype based games with real time forum posting of maps.razberryranidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11757974974143482571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-51975939996398576952011-09-01T11:50:45.877-05:002011-09-01T11:50:45.877-05:00I'd like to see Total Confusion become a "...I'd like to see Total Confusion become a "must" for East Coast old schoolers. This year they are bringing in Frank Mentzer, Tim Kask and Jim Ward. There are other publishers that live in the north east and might make it out. Old school gaming had its own room at the con last year. There weren't just old school RPG's at that con either but some old school mini and board games as well. There is a Car Wars tourney, a Battletech tourney and I played a round of first edition Space Hulk that was fantastic. The con starts taking event submissions from GM's in two weeks and pre-registration happens in November.Travis Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08462669235840448896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2296104283452210018.post-35153788863259922892011-09-01T11:31:09.672-05:002011-09-01T11:31:09.672-05:00Good posting and great points. I see the OSR in a...Good posting and great points. I see the OSR in a similar light. I also have trouble finding <i>new</i> players for face to face gaming. That is where our hobby needs a booster shot but I am not sure what we can do.Rainforest Gianthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05240761465708154282noreply@blogger.com